Kolkata Board: A success?
Posted by DhumKetu in Calcutta/Kolkata Aug 7th, 2007 | 26 responsesHello All.
I am sure many of are going crazy without given a chance to raise your voice via our forum for about 24 hrs now. I thought, at least I should give you all something to think about. If you are not a CGC member, this post might be little bit difficult for you to follow. But you still can read on.
At this point I feel that I am unable to meet high expectations of my honorable members. Most of the forums are ruled by the forum “Admins/mods”. We always tried our best not to discriminate between our members and moderators. Every forum/family/city/nation got problems. So do we. But I never thought that we could forget to talk and behave in a civilized way.
There is no need of educating people who fails to apply education to their own life. There is no value of tons of certificates when we forget we are “civilized” and the human are the only “civilized” animal in this big world.
The goal of our forum was to create a platform for numerous people scattered around the globe to talk about various things, make friends and stay happy. After two years of hard of (including many sleepless night to build this community) I feel like all my work was in vain.
Lastly, I believe that every single member (and anybody else) in our community deserves a little respect. Recently I found that we no longer care to pay respect to our fellow member but expect respect in return from others!!
So, My question to you all:
1. Why should I waste my valuable time fixing the board?
Well to make long story short, I am working too slow in fixing my board. Expect delay between a week to several months before we can use CGC again. Unless you give me a good reason to fix CGC fast, I will let you all enjoy many other websites in the internet world.
I hope a bright future for all of you. And I do miss you all very much.
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Ankan
I understand what you are saying but then aren’t you doing exactly what some people wanted you to? Where-ever you go there will be people like this … educated so as to say but lacking basic things that we learn from “education”. I too respect freedom of speech not not when it is used to demean another person …using language as something soiled… I am not even an year old in this forum but love it as my second family .. so please dont take it away ?…
CGC is something like “dream come true” for me. Being a non-techie, having no knowledge with computer, I have got superb response and always felt proud of my work.
I no longer do feel good about our most discussed, most happening part of calcuttaglobalchat.net.
I am truly working on some core cleaning issues with the server. CGC will be back. I am not sure “when”.
Dear Admin,
Unlike Tuklu, who thrives on minimalism, I, being a contrary person by nature, write tomes. Can’t help it.
I also write exactly what I think and feel, and I am not embarrassed about being a) philosophical, and b) emotionally honest.
So, here’s my 150 cents. I hope you will have the patience to read it through.
Let me thank you very, very much for letting people have their say about this situation. The first (and most important, in my mind) thing I want to tell you is this:
You rock. Never, never let yourself believe otherwise. Whether CGC continues or not (and I truly hope it will), you have given countless moments of joy, happiness, sense of community, grief-sharing possibility to countless people, and nothing and no one can take that away from me. I have been here for a month and have gotten more quality moments of community interaction than I had in seven years. And no matter what happens, those moments and what it has taught me in terms of becoming a better person WILL stay with me, and with the rest of us who have come to love and calue CGC and (most) members.
I am (as I am sure, many others are too) deeply sad that this came to be and a decent, caring, and trusting person like you had to experience this sense of betrayal. You didn’t deserve this, after all the work and trust you put into the board and its mods. Good people do not deserve to feel such pain, but the fact of life is that it is almost always the good and caring people who end up being hurt and betrayed.
I want to remind you that you didn’t do anything to cause this situation, including the self-critical claim of ‘not investing enough time’ in it. The ‘I should have known better/paid more attention/been more careful’ argument is futile. You are seeing human nature play out, and that is beyond anyone’s individual control. You can set up standards of behavior, but you simply cannot be omniscient and figure out who is going to live up to it. That’s something only relationships over time can give you. You did and are doing a fine job. Do not, even for a second, doubt that.
The answer to your very pertinant question above is simple. You should NOT feel that you should have to ‘waste’ your valuable time ‘fixing’ the board. First, you cannot ‘fix’ the board, because you cannot ‘fix’ people. But as you and the mods have already done – and to a very large extent, successfully – you can create conditions and try to encourage people to stay within those. In social science, we call these ‘laws.’ But all laws are meant to be broken, and no social system assures contentment for every member. You cannot assume the responsibility for providing a 100% customer satisfaction. I’d say anywhere between 80 – 90% is a fantastic achievment.
There are a few reasons why I personally think that you should keep CGC going.
1. CGC is a product of your love and caring, for people and for community. CGC is a child of your passions, a testemant to your personality – of who you are and what matters to you. We don’t kick out a troublesome (but much beloved) child when s/he becomes difficult. We try to sit down and figure out a way to deal with it.
2. Your hard work over the last 2+ years has brought much, much joy to many, many people, and you should NEVER underestimate the value of your selfless and extremely meaningful contribution to the quality of people’s lives. And I say this after a mere month of being here.
3. You cannot let the ‘uncivilized’ness of a handful of people take away from the value of what you have set up and what people have come to value in turn. Because that way, those uncivilized people win. Ekta bhalo kichu jodi koyekjon-er oshobbhota-r jonne bondho hoye jai, tahole to tader oshobhota-ta jeet-e gelo, tai na?
4. There are tons and tons more people who love and appreciate CGC than there are detractors. If you need to re-think CGC rules and format, what it offers, who gets to stay etc., that is perfectly valid and within your right. I believe you have a doctorate, so you will know about department and program reviews. Like any organization that involves anything beyond brute animal herd instinct (where things just happen by rote), like humans, nothing can be sustained over time without the shit hitting the fan.
The idea, however, is to clean the shit w/o dismantling the fan, to thrown out the dirty bath water but not the baby, to not cut the face to spite the nose – you get the point.
CGC needs a program review and a new 5 year plan, to rethink what it offers; a new direction, perhaps; a new plan of action (like reducing or closing down file sharing, e.g.). But none of this means the Board deserves to be turned off. That would really be a shame.
Duniyate bhalo ar kharap shirokaal-i aache. Keu-i 100% bhalo hoi na, abar keo-i 100% kharap hoy na. The burden is always on the wiser to teach the meaning of conzequence and to forgive at the same time. What was said in the board in cf. to Soutikda and Dhum and especially Tuklu (and I am not saying this because Tuklu is my brother) was cruel, insensitive, and wrong. But, as a teacher, my instinctive response to such a situation is that, instead of letting the people get away with the idea that they can say and do anything w/o thinking things through, acting responsibly, and facing repercussions (which is the message that is sent if the Board closes) it is better to find a way to make people realize that a person’s actions does have consequences, that words and actions can hurt people, deeply.
One cannot stop someone else from being a destructive ass, but one can find ways to at least let them know that they are being destructive w/o necessarily being cruel in return. Its a tough balancing act, and it doesn’t work without sustained effort, as the state of the world clearly shows us, but fortitude and forgiveness on the part of the wise doesn’t mean weakness; it actually means strength.
So, why shouldn’t you shut down CGC? Because it is more productive to look at the good in a situation and work with that than looking at what is bad in a situation and making decisions based on that. This isn’t about the glass being half full/empty. The glass is an illusion; what is in it is also an illusion. The question is, which illusion are we willing to follow?
I don’t know if you are married, but the CGC situation is a bit like a long-married couple. No marriage (or any other relationship) is self sustaining. Every relationship needs constant work. And therapy. And fights. And mud slinging. But fights can have rules. Its not that one calls its quits and divorces one’s partner because they can’t stop fighting. Its more like the ground rules for fights haven’t been laid down or are not being followed. There will always be fighting amongst couples. The issue here is, does one want a divorce – the easy way out – (and be miserable anyway), or does one commit to try to working it out?
Ami tomake chini na, but I hope some of this makes sense. This is my way of thinking through things; I write. Also, I would be happy to talk to you any time. Feel free to e-mail me, and I will send you my phone no.
Regards,
- Madhuparna.
Errrmmmm – sorry for the countless typos.
Hello Madhuparna!
It was really a long reply!! and a good one too.
You gave me lot more credit that I truly deserve.
I know in core of my heart that there are lot more people who love CGC lot more than me. I know there are many more who spent more time on CGC than I did. This certainly includes many of our admins and members.
I feel like you all need some rest. Some time without the dominating presence of CGC in your life. I want to give you some simple and peaceful days when you don’t have to worry about 1000s of posts in CGC, you don’t have to reply to any of them..you don’t have to chat all day and night long…
Finally. I did not blame anybody for any of their comments/work in CGC. I just felt we are unable to keep our integrity and forget all about our self-respect.
It is time when you should think where you stand.
Hi Ankan,
I understand your frustrations. I kind of saw this coming and predicted it to one of our valued moderators just last week. But not in my wildest imagination I thought it’d happen so quickly. Anyway, I don’t think it’s the appropriate place to discuss this.
This world is full of ‘us’ – people of different types. We can’t help but be different. If we all were the same sensible types, it’d be boring. On the other hand, too much excitement can get us too.
Some of us are rowdy, hell-raisers, down and dirty scum-bags. Yet some are ladies/gentlemen to the core. Some’ll try to break everything, say anything, hurt anybody/everybody, may be in the name of freedom of choice/speech or whatever. They may not say the same when they are on the receiving side though. And there are some who’ll be what I call the ‘glue’ that keeps the system going. They absorb a lot, give a lot and stay mostly unrecognized.
We just need to recognize this reality. I know you are probably at a breaking point. But good leaders overcome this sort of things and come to grip with reality quickly. It’s the successful leaders who have a vision and set course with proper guidelines. I have no doubt that you are one of those. Just don’t let emotions or pseudo friendship cloud what you view as the appropriate thing to do.
Cheers!
Firstly, Koli ja likhlo … seta 150 cents noi .. rather Bill Gates er puro khajana ta ulto korey diyechey .. koto likhtey paarish re tui mairee!
Anyways.. jokes apart.. Ankan, I got 2 questions for U.
1. Where should I go now? ( taking into account my present situation here at my residence ) Should I go back to IRC and search for same like minded people whom I had been hanging out for the last 1+ yr?
2. What do I answer back to my wife, coz every night among all things over the phone .. she surely askes “CGC tey ki hochey?” as she had got the habit of sitting awake till 1 or 2 am beside me to watch and laugh with all of U in shoutbox and further take an update of the happenings that she had missed the night before … first thing in the morning!!!!!
If U wish to close the door for me .. then please show me which way shall I walk away from it.
Shameek..
for you opportunities are numerous. I know you are already admin of many forums. Just ask your similar minded friends to join you.
You can have yahoo chat rooms, orkut, myspace, or just do a search for bengali forums. There are many and all got some GOOD STUFF.
With more than 77000 people visiting us, I can not take any chance to damage calcuttaglobalchat.net entirely. When we speak we should at least remember how many other people are reading our posts including many children and elderly people.
I don’t want to make CGC as a bad example to learn from.
Onkur ..
I know what you mean. I am not a good leader and am accepting it.
btw – If you need any help with the cleanup/reorg, u know who to call
“… I am not a good leader and am accepting it.”
Am I sensing a softie at heart here? Or is it the tired and exhausted soul talking? Where is the trail blazer Gunda? I want to see Gunda as a Knight in his shining armor, blazing the trail yet one more time.
Admin,
Errrmmmm… aro awaj khawar aage amar response-ta delete kore debe please? I hadn’t really planned on making it a public post. My bad.
Koli-r kelo-r kitrti ar ki!
Ebong tumi CGC-r Brambha (ebong bhramostro). Onno admin/mod-ra Bishni Menoka Durga Shib etc. Kintu Bramha boss; ja bolbe, matha pate nebo!
Er – ami jodi ekhane boli “Dui Shobder Khela” khelbo amake shobai marbe ?
ok .. Onkur is Bramha agreed …. btw Bishnu, Shib aar Durga ke o deifne kore debo?
( I know this is a serious issue being discussed .. but ki korbo … haath nish pish korchey kichu ekta prank kortey ) :p
Tuklu da … this place!
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=12755775&tid=2547964892865099464&start=1
Ekhaney tomar shongay kheltey raaji aachee!
Khik! [:grin:]
When CGC opens, we need to install some ’seriousness’ inducing cells in tuklu’s brain. I propose we form a committee with Koli as the chair to drive this.
Shameek, Do u need a transplant too?
OK… all this serious stuff is getting to me… can we ask Gunda to be kind a bit sooner?
A correction ..[b] Plz read “ok .. Onkur is Bramha agreed” as “ok Admin is Bramha.. agreed” [/b]
Typo .. ki korbo ekhaney edit button o nei….. aar
“This post was edited by DhumKetu 1 minute ago” er footnote o nei!
Btw Ankan do U remember why,when and because of whom this footnote was made mandatory for all members .. including Admins/Mods?
LOL Onkur .. what would U transplant.. if U didnt find anything inside when U did crack open my head!
Anyway, Guys U carry on … lemme catch some sleep … shall be back later.
( Did U guys notice we have already restarted CGC with One Thread & One Topic and we are posting our way out!)
Congrats Ankan… CGC has restarted!!!
And as a general statement ( not meant specifically to anyone) .. “U can wipe out CGC .. but U cant clean out CGCians!
“From Onkur – When CGC opens, we need to install some ’seriousness’ inducing cells in tuklu’s brain. I propose we form a committee with Koli as the chair to drive this.
Shameek, Do u need a transplant too?
OK… all this serious stuff is getting to me… can we ask Gunda to be kind a bit sooner?”
Errr…. ami chair hote jaabo kon dukkhe? Ami khali table ar dugdugi bajabo, ar moja dekhbo!
And thanks for the orkut site. Ami ghure esechi already…
P.S. addendum to previous post: a) edit korar button dao! b) In true Kolkattaiya ishtyle:
CGC/SB ferot chai! Ferot chai! Ferot chai!
Amader daabi maante hobe! CGC chai! CGC dao!
Amader daabi maante hobe! SB chai! SB dao!
O Admin, tomar paye pori. Eirkom kore amader shopno bhongon koro na. Ami du shobder mojar khela kothai khelbo?
Board Open for beta testing of Core Cleaning.
Dear Ankan,
I wrote my first piece in a hurry. I didn’t mean it to sound like (or imply that) all CGCians belong to either of those two extreme groups. I’m sure u understood, but still wanted to clarify.
Also, I hope cooler heads will prevail. Lot of things were said at an elevated temperature, and as u know, people r usually beside themselves in that situation.They should be given chances to recant and make-up. We should not judge ppl for their symptomatic lapses. On the other hand, issues that r systematic, need to be addressed differently. May be u can have a group of cool-heads assist u with this. That’ll take some pressure off of u.
BTW – I tried to get ppl going on a path of reconciliation (asked for forgiveness.. may be it was too much), but as I suspected it was futile
Cheers!
Ooops… missed admin’s last msg…. y–e–a–h!!!
well, ki bolbo? jara amay cheno, tara jano what this place meant.. sorry, means to me… ami ekhane besidin holo asi ni.. but i love this place as my own family…
Gunda da, ami jakhan june masey bangalore theke bari firey asi, ami just akTa jinis-er apekhhay din gune gechi.. kobe? kobe ami abar CGC tey log in korte parbo? kobe abar sabar sathe pran khule aDDa marte parbo.. ar jakhan ami chance pelam, esey dekhchi e ki? ami porsu din-o CGC-tey log in korechi.. kal korte giye dekhechi, i thought it to be some tehnicality… kintu what is this? dakho ekhane tomra sabbai amar theke anek boro, anek matured… ami basically khub immatured and to be precise bhison bichhiri bhabey senti kheye jabar dosh ache amar..
sabbai jeTa bolche amar nijer-o tai mone hoy gunda da… sab jayga tei bhalo kharap to thakbei, seTa niyei amader cholte hobe. Thik-i to, amader family-r kono akjon member jodi bigre jay, do we shut down the whole system or weed them out? konoTai kora jay na… seTa ke niye maniyei to cholte hobe na?
please Gunda da.. firiye ano.. firey eso…. sabbar jonye na hok, tomar motoi jara CGC ke nijer kore bhalobeseche tader jonyei… please??????
Shammek da, Tuklu da, Onkur da, Koli di.. tomra bolo na sabbai miley.. please?
Tomra ekhane hansha hanshi korcchile kaal :angry: :p .. issh jaanle amio kheltum …
Dear Colleagues,
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